Tippett: as you said, to give instruction or answers, where to give answers would be to disrespect the gravity of the questions. Can you locate that? strong and between sleep, when Stephen Colbert was doing the earlier show, and he had this one skit where he said, I love breathing, I could do it all day long., And I always think about that because of course, its so ironic that we have to think about our breath. For me, I have pain, so Ive moved through the body in pain. Before the new apartment. Its the , Limn: We literally. We elevate voices of wisdom and models of wise thinking, speaking, and living. We have never been exiled. recycling bin until you say, Man, we should really learn Why are all these blank spaces? It has silence built all around it. Listen Download Transcript. Too high for most of us with the rockets. And the last voice that you hear singing at the end of our show is Cameron Kinghorn. Limn: Because I love this poem, and no one has ever asked me to read this poem. One of the most fascinating developments of our time is that human qualities we have understood in terms of virtue experiences weve called spiritual are now being taken seriously by science as intelligence as elements of human wholeness. like something almost worth living for. Something that you reflect on a lot that I would love to just draw you out on a bit is I think people who love language the most, and work with language, also are most intensely aware of the limits of language, and thats partly why youre working so hard. But I think the biggest thing for me is to begin with silence. These are heavier, page 86 and page 87. Groundbreaking Peabody Award-winning conversation about the big questions of meaning, hosted by Krista Tippett. And now we have watched it in these 25 years go from strength, to strength, to strength. squeal with the idea of blissful release, oh lover. We have been in the sun. . Cracking time open, seeing its true manifold nature, expands a sense of the possible in the here and the now. Theres also how I stand in the field across from the street, thats another way because Im farther from people and therefore more likely to be alone. But something I started thinking, with this frame, really, this sense of homecoming and our belonging in the natural world runs all the way through every single one of your poems. And so, its so hard to speak of, to honor, to mark in this culture. I write. A friend I mean, I do right now. And this particular poem was written after the 2017 fires in my home valley of Sonoma. We keep forgetting about Antlia, Centaurus, And I feel like its very interesting when you actually have to get away from it, because you can also do the other thing where you focus too much on the breath. We are in the final weeks as On Being evolves to its next chapter in a world that is evolving, each of us changed in myriad ways we've only begun to process and fathom. In fact, my mother is and was an atheist. So anyway, I got The Hurting Kind, the galley in the mail from Milkweed. Do you remember the Colbert Report when Stephen Colbert was doing the earlier show, and he had this one skit where he said, I love breathing, I could do it all day long. [laughter] And I always think about that because of course, its so ironic that we have to think about our breath. It is still the wind. Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. I would say about 50 percent, maybe 60 percent of it was written during the pandemic. I was actually born at home. (Unedited) The Dalai Lama, Jonathan Sacks, Katharine Jefferts Schori, and Seyyed Hossein Nasr with Krista Tippett. 25 Sep. 2014. Find more of her poems, along with our full collection of poetry films and readings from two decades of the show, at Experience Poetry. , there are these two poems on facing pages, that both have fire in the title. And I think its in that category. The original idea, when we say like our, thesis statement, or even when we say like. Its Spanish and English, and Im trying, and Ill look at him and be like, How much degrees is it?. This is a moving and edifying conversation that is also, not surprisingly, a lot of fun. The thesis is still the wind. The thesis is still a river. The thesis has never been exile., Yeah. Theres this poem which Ive never heard anybody ask you to read called Where the Circles Overlap, . We want to orient towards that possibility. But time is more spacious than we imagine it to be, and it is more of a friend than we always know. for the safety of others, for earth, Editor's note: This Q&A has been adapted from the podcast "Interfaith America with Eboo Patel.". And so I have. I have people who ask me, How do you write poems? And you talk about process. Only my head is for you. And poetry, and poetry. This might be hard for some of you right here. Kalliopeia Foundation. But I think there was something deeper going on there, which was that idea of, Oh, this is when you pack up and you move. And I even had a pet mouse named Fred, which you would think I wouldve had a more creative name for the mouse, but his name was Fred. This is amazing. And thats also not the religious association with Sunday, right? "Right now we are in a fast river together every day there are changes that seemed unimaginable until they occurred." adrienne maree brown and others use many . I mean, I do right now. Tippett: Right. Mosaque Liste Walking in Wonder Eternal Wisdom for a Modern World - ebook (ePub) John Quinn . Limn: Yeah. no one has been writing the year lately. Robin is a botanist and also a member of the Citizen Potawatomi Nation. Each of us imprints the people in the world around us . Yet whats most stunning is how presciently and exquisitely Ocean spoke, and continues to speak, to the world we have since come to inhabit its heartbreak and its poetry, its possibilities for loss and for finding new life. So would you read, its called Before, page 46. 10 distinct works Similar authors. And thought, How am I right now at this moment? Okay. Or theres just something happens and you get all of a sudden for it to come flooding back. Tippett: And then Joint Custody from The Hurting Kind. And then what happened was the list that was in my head of poems I wasnt going to write became this poem. rolling their trash bins out, after all of this is over? I will say this poem began I was telling you how poems begin and sometimes with sounds, sometimes with images This was a sound of, you know when everyone rolls out their recycling at the same time. And for a long time Sundays kind of unsettled me, even as an adult. If you had thought about it And you said that this would be the poem that would mean that you would never be Poet Laureate. Limn: And I would just have these whole moments when people would be like, Oh, and then well meet in person. And I was like, [sharp breath] I dont want you to witness my body. I think its definitely a writing prompt too, right? The notion of frontier inner frontiers, outer frontiers weaves through this hour. When you find a song or you find something and you think, This. letter on the dresser, enough of the longing and the world walking in, ready to be ravaged, open for business. But I also feel a little bit out of practice with this live event thing. And the Lilly Endowment, an Indianapolis-based, private family foundation dedicated to its founders interests in religion, community development, and education. Its got breath, its got all those spaces. Limn: Oh, definitely. Was there a religious or spiritual background in your childhood there, however you would describe that now? The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. into an expansion, a heat. And that feels like its an active thing as opposed to a finished thing, a closed thing. big enough not to let go: What follows is the transcript of an On Being interview between Krista Tippett and Andrew Solomon, Parker Palmer and Anita Barrows. And for us, it was Sundays. And it often falls apart from me. I am human, enough I am alone and I am desperate, by even the ageless woods, the shortgrass plains, the Red River Gorge, the fistful of land left. So how to get out? Krista Tippett is the creator and host of the On Being and Becoming Wise podcasts as well as curator of The Civil Conversations Project. But then I just examine all the different ways of being quiet. Ada Limn is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. Its still the elements. Limn: I do think I enjoy it. Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. And I was in the backyard by myself, as many of us were by ourselves. Shes written, Science polishes the gift of seeing, Indigenous traditions work with gifts of listening and language. An expert in moss a bryologist she describes mosses as the coral reefs of the forest. Robin Wall Kimmerer opens a sense of wonder and humility for the intelligence in all kinds of life we are used to naming and imagining as inanimate. and snowshoes, maple and seeds, samara and shoot, Tippett: Would you read this poem, The End of Poetry, which I feel speaks to that a bit. And so I think my investigation or my curiosity is not so much talking about poetry, but about where poetry comes from in us and what poetry works in us. Limn: Right. Its wonderful. It just offers more questions. And isnt it strange that breathing is something that we have to get better at? And you have said that you fell in love with poetry in high school. And it felt like this is the language of reciprocity. And together you kind of have this relationship. Which I hadnt had before. Limn: Yeah. We believe healthy spiritual inquiry propels us outside the boundaries of the self, into the world. and desperate, enough of the brutal and the border, enough of can you see me, can you hear me, enough. its like staring into an original Yeah. Its almost romantic as we adjust the waxy blue No, theres so much to enjoy. Yeah, Ive got a lot of feelings moving through me. is an independent nonprofit production of The On Being Project. joy, foundational, that brief kinship of hold Before the road But I think theres so much in this poem thats about that idea that the thesis thats returned to the river. I get four parents that come to the school nights. And I felt like I was not brave enough to own that for myself. and buried, I go about my day, which isnt, ordinary, exactly, because nothing is ordinary Limn: Yeah. Youre never like, Oh, Im just done grieving. I mean, you can pretend you are, right, but we arent. Tippett: But we dont need to belabor that. I have decided that Im here in this world to be moved by love and [to] let myself be moved by beauty. Which is such a wonderful mission statement. We want to meet what is hard and hurting. Dont get me wrong, I do, like the flag, how it undulates in the wind. Its repeating words. And that there was this break when we moved from pictographic language, which is characters which directly refer to the things spoken, and when we moved to the phonetic alphabet. Tippett: I also think aging is underrated. Before the apple tree. So my interest, when I get into conversation with a poet, is not to talk, poetry, but to delve into what this way with words and sound and silence teaches us. Anthem. I feel like theres so many elements to that discovery. So its this weird moment of being aware of it and then also letting it go at the same time. Yeah. SHARE. Limn: Yeah, there wasnt a religious practice. So its actually about fostering yourself in the sun, in the right place, creating the right habitat. And sometimes when youre going through it, you can kind of see the mono-crop of vineyards that its become. A student of change and of how groups change together. Yeah. I write the year, seems like a year you Find Krista Tippett's email address, contact information, LinkedIn, Twitter, other social media and more. by the crane. the nectar lovers, and we Tippett: Yeah, because its made with words, but its also sensory and its bodily. enough chiaroscuro, enough of thus and prophecy Limn: Yeah. This is not a problem. whats larger within us, toward how we were born. The fear response, the stress response, it had so many other kinds of ripple effects that were so perplexing. The truth is, Ive never cared for the National, Anthem. The On Being Project Yeah. Yes I am. But I trust those moments. 1. For her voice of insistent honesty and wholeness and wisdom and joyfulness. beneath us, and I was just This is like a self-care poem. But in reality its home to so many different kind of wildlife. Tippett: Thank you. You said a minute ago that the poetry has breath built into it, and you said also that, you have said: its meant to make us breathe. @KristaTippett is the host of @OnBeing podcast and a NYTimes bestselling author. red glare and then there are the bombs. And I feel like theres a level of mystery thats allowed in the poem that feels like, Okay, I can maybe read this into it, I can put myself into it, and it becomes sort of its own thing. And place is always place. And it was this moment of like, Oh, this is abundance. on all sides with want. But we dont need to belabor that. And this poem was basically a list of all the poems I didnt think I could write, because it was the early days of the pandemic, and I kept thinking, just that poetry had kind of given up on me, I guess. Limn: Yeah. And enough so that actually, as I would always sort of interrogate her about her beliefs and, Do you think this, do you think that? and the one that is so relieved to finally be home. We were so focused on survival and illness and vaccines and bad news. Sometimes youre, and so much of its. I think this poem, for me, is very much about learning to find a home and a sense of belonging in a world where being at peace is actually frowned upon. And poetry is absolutely this is not something I knew would happen when I started this but poetry now is at the heart of. Alex Cochran, Deseret News. Tippett: I dont expect you to have the page number memorized. Tippett: That just took me back to this moment in the pandemic where I took so many walks in my neighborhood that Ive lived in for so many years and saw things Id never seen before, including these massive Just suddenly looking down where the trees were and seeing and understanding, just really having this moment where I understood that its their neighborhood and Im living in it. No shoes and a glossy Limn: and you forget how to breathe. It touches almost every aspect of human life in almost every society around the world right now. And I was feeling very isolated. Shes teaching me a lesson. In between my tasks, I find a dead fledgling, I dont even mourn him, just all matter-of-, fact-like take the trowel, plant the limp body, thing, forever close-eyed, under a green plant, in the ground, under the feast up above. I have people who ask me, How do you write poems? And you talk about process. Its got breath, its got all those spaces. And its always an interesting question because I feel like my process changes and I change. Just uncertainty is so hard on our bodies. Interesting. . I think there were these moments that that quietness, that aloneness, that solitude, that as hard as they were, I think hopefully weve learned some lessons from that. the date at the top of a letter; though Well, a lot of us I think are still a little agoraphobic. In fact, my mother is and was an atheist. I really love . unpoisoned, the song thats our birthright. In all kinds of lives, in all kinds of places, they are healers and social creatives. Our lovely theme music is provided and composed by Zo Keating. And that was in shorter supply than one would think. and the stoic farmer and faith and our father and tis But I mean, Ive listened to every podcast shes done, so Im aware. And its true. He works with wood, and he works with other people who work with their hands making beautiful, useful things. And I found it really useful, a really useful tool to go back in and start to think about what was just no longer true, or maybe had never been true. Nick Offerman has played many great characters, most famously Ron Swanson in Parks and Recreation, and he starred more recently in an astonishing episode of The Last of Us. Krista Tippett is the author of Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living and the host of the national public radio show and podcast On Being. And I love it, but I think that you go to it, as a poet, in an awareness of not only its limitations and its failures, but also very curious about where you can push it in order to make it into a new thing. my brother and my husband to witness this, nearly clear body. We are located on Dakota land. And what of the stanzas, we never sing, the third that mentions no refuge, could save the hireling and the slave? Dr. Rachel Naomi Remen is one of the wise people in our world. Tippett: Thats so wonderful. I think the failure of language is what really draws me to poetry in general. What. The people who gather around On Being are part of the generative narrative of our time. We read for sense. Learn more at. Because I couldnt decide which ones I wanted you to read. has an unsung third stanza, something brutal So it felt right to listen again to one of our most beloved shows of this post-2020 world. even the tenacious high school band off key. water, enough sorrow, enough of the air and its ease, This means that I am in a reciprocal relationship with the natural world, not that it is my job to be the poet that goes and says, Tree, I will describe it to you. [audience laughs] I have a lot of poems that basically are that. And if I had to condense you as a poet into a couple of words, I actually think youre about and these are words you use also wholeness and balance. And that is so much more present with us all the time. the ground and the feast is where I live now. Im like, Yes. And we all have this, our childhood stories. What is the thesis word or the wind? Its the thing that keeps us alive. Wilkerson, winner of the Pulitzer Prize and the National Humanities Medal, has become a leading figure in narrative nonfiction with The Warmth of Other Suns and Caste. No, to the rising tides. Our lovely theme music is provided and composed by Zo Keating. And I always thought it was just because I had to work. is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. Henno Road, creek just below, lover, come back to the five-and-dime. Theres a lot of different People. two brains now. Its a prose poem. cigarette smoke or expertise in recipes or Theres this poem which Ive never heard anybody ask you to read called Where the Circles Overlap, Tippett: In The Hurting Kind. We get curious, we interrogate, and we ask over and over again. The poets brain is always like that, but theres a little I was just doing the wash, and I was like, Casual, warm, and normal. And I was like, Ooh, I could really go for that.. And we think, Well, what are we supposed to do with that silence? And we read naturally for meaning. Ive been reading Ada Limn for years, and was so happy when she was named the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. Why not that weed? Our entire world is spent that way. Yeah, it was completely unnatural. And I feel like poetry makes the world for that experience, as opposed to: Im fine.. And now Tippett has done it again. For me, I have pain, so Ive moved through the body in pain. So we have to do this another time. to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward Silence, which we dont get enough of. even the tenacious high school band off key. You boiled it down. Learn more at kalliopeia.org. Shes written six books of poetry, most recently, The Hurting Kind. So well just be on an adventure together. July 4, 2022 9:00 am. A season of big, new, beautiful On Being conversations is here. And I kept thinking how I missed all my family, and I missed my father and his wife, and I missed my mother and stepfather. about being fully human this adventure were all on that is by turns treacherous and heartbreaking and revelatory and wondrous. I was like, Oh. Then I came downstairs and I was like, Lucas, Im never going to get to be Poet Laureate.. And I hope, I dont think anybody here will mind. This is science that invites us to nourish the brains we need, young and old, to live in this world. And if its weekly, theres a day of the week and you do it. Page 40. cigarette smoke or expertise in recipes or, reading skills. And I kept thinking how I missed all my family, and I missed my father and his wife, and I missed my mother and stepfather. Sometimes youre, and so much of its. Tippett: Yeah. not forgetting and star bodies and frozen birds, And just as there are callings for a life, there are callings for our time. Find them at, Dedicated to reconnecting ecology, culture, and spirituality. Im so excited for your tenure representing poetry and representing all of us, and Im excited that you have so many more years of aging and writing and getting wiser ahead, and we got to be here at this early stage. And I wonder if you think about your teenage self, who fell in love with poetry. We meet longings for justice and healing by equipping for reflection, repair, and joy. [laughter]. And Im sure it does for many of you, where you start to think about a phrase or a word comes to you and youre like, Is that a word? Youre like, With. Tippett has interviewed guests ranging from poets to physicists, doctors to historians, artists to activists. Once it has been witnessed, and buried, I go about my day, which isnt, ordinary, exactly, because nothing is ordinary, now even when it is ordinary. the truth is every song of this country It brings us back to something your grandmother was right about, for reasons she would never have imagined: you are what you eat. Between the ground and the feast is where I live now. That really spoke to me, on my sofa. back and forth on Sundays and it was not easy This is like a self-care poem. I will say this poem began I was telling you how poems begin and sometimes with sounds, sometimes with images This was a sound of, you know when everyone rolls out their recycling at the same time. And the Sonoma Coast is a really special place in terms of how its been preserved and protected throughout the years. people could point to us with the arrows they make in their minds. I mean, thats how we read. Where some of you were like, Eww, as soon as I said it. and I never knew survival Tippett: You hosted this, The Slowdown podcast, this great poetry podcast for a while and. Wisdom Practices and Digital Retreats (Coming in 2023). We understand love as the most reliably transformative muscle of human wholeness, and we investigate the workings of love as public practice. Its almost romantic as we adjust the waxy blue. I feel like our breath is so important to how we move through the world, how we react to things. "Beauty isn't all about just nice loveliness, like," O'Donohue tells Tippett. And its page six of. I cannot reverse it, the record, chaotic track. And when people describe you as a poet, theyll talk about things about intimacy and emotional sincerity and your observations of the natural world. I just saw her. 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