4. When White does this analogy to jihadism to make his point, I think he does it out of a deep sense of frustration at how the other side doesnt seem to perceive the inconsistency of their own message. It was obvious from the start. Does anyone else see the irony in the way these people are acting and the joke being made in the pictures? Meh! Hes mean, mean I tell you. I asked for your explanation of Whites quote, which I cant make heads or tails of. And plenty of it. I urge you, therefore, to reaffirm your love for him. Where did Paul say to wait until he repents? But for the past 2000 years? His incarnation is consistent with that. Dr. Beckworth, however, has not slung mud. 1. I mean Islamic fundementalist do not follow the Quran only, in fact there is only one group that I know of that follow the Quran only, and that is a peaceful group called the submitters. You cant go to the individual books of the bible to determine just which books are authentically inspired and can be deemed as Scripture. Given that this wasnt what I said, I dont care about your opinion of it. I am not easily shocked. Well if wikipedia says itit must be true. Kind of a DeVry Technical Institute for theology. Benigne dicis. ;^). Islam is theocratic. http://209.85.135.104/search In the meantime, weve pushed this thread up near 750. bill912: huh? Well reasoned criticism soberly offered is a blessing. Mesmerized by the brilliance of the nightlight, I suppose. I did do a Google search and found you indeed have credibility. Hence, White has lost his mind when it comes to this. Salvation also support the corrupt modern Bible versions. 2. And I dont blame them because Jimmy Akin focused upon it instead of the real issues. BTW nice site you have and congrats on the wedding. Admin Country:US And Mark 11, If you hold ANYTHING against ANYONE, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins. It means he knew of the site, and knew of White. Any idiocy, therefore, is purely tactical. Meant to say Salvation controversy by Akin, great book, was also thinkinbg of White scripture alone book which i think is also a great book lol. Ooooo-kayyyy. Amazing-ly repugnant and dispicable, that is! Genesis 1:1 He takes things that are not and uses them to put to nothing the things that think themselves to be something. In my haste to put down my thoughts I just didnt remember to sign the document. I was right. O Threadhijacker lol, Eileen. This calls into question the posters sanity. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them (John 20:23). Unsubstantiated? At that point its time to move on to more important things. But going beyond that is the why to which I was referring. Tattoo T-Shirts Alpha Xi Delta. So, if you are in search of a compact alpha omega tattoo then why not try out this design? BTW, you may not have noticed, but the post you refer to is a copy of a post to this web site. (If hed meant for *all* of his followers to be able to bind and loose their own sins, he would have told the Disciples to tell them so. Foxflier, I did read Jimmys response to Dr. Whites comments. Have there been some very unkind attacks on Dr. White on this thread? I am not sure. What Did Jesus Preach - Christianity or Islam? Hello, is that just priceless or what? The Covenant Code If ya hold to one. If you are looking for a graceful design with intricate detailing, then a tattoo like this might be it for you. Sandy: You believe what it says to you, and the Protestants believe what it says to them. Honestly. certain Baptist church in Kansas to picket For one thing, it was the first time that the various powers of Europe had a different religion altogether, and so therefore had the temptation to shed blood on a massive scale. The word hypocrisy comes to mind with this double standard (to put it mildly). Many in the early church actually accepted the Epistle of Clement as Scripture it was read in Corinth for over a hundred years as Sacred Scripture after Clement died. Silence is the word of the day, it would seem, yet only in relation to pertinent issues. I apologize for breaking the rules I will strive to remember to include a name in the future. Please give a specific example. White is using a sort of vanTilian presuppositionalist declaration to make his case. I thought the 9/11 terrorists died in the crashes? I will, however, say that his actions in posting those pictures, and attacking Francis Beckwith personally (insinuating that he is a liar, for instance), are just simply wrong. warning from God not to add or subtract from His Words. Then of course you have the Protestant disdain of the material; irrational and unbiblical though it may be. I hope that we can all pray for James, his walk with the Lord, and that he would embrace his Roman Catholic brothers and sisters in the Lord. Lets try this again. Hence, a tattoo displaying the alpha and omega letters together bridges the gap between ones soul and physical presence. attack the deity of Those Jedi mind tricks dont work on me. Ed, I wasnt looking in a mirror Your ad hominem comment had no basis. However, I would like to make a suggestion. Donald, Papal Infallibility? S o, e ven though believers today are not under the Old Testament law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15), the fact that there was a command against tattoos should raise some questions. Jesus himself existed outside of timethe Holy Trinity was not established 2000 years ago after all Jesus himself said that before Abraham I am. Beware of Dr. James White's heresy of Lordship Salvation, Some good people have wasted a lot of time on him. Spent a lot of time considering the death of Joseph Ratzinger, Benedict XVI, and what light it has shone on how most Protestants today understand the Papacy. It was inappropriate. IF he did it intentionally, that would make him a liar. why I want him to address the real issues White raised Oh, and if you somehow think Jimmy Akins rebuke is overdue, it behooves you to prove that Akin was aware of it in the first place. I am not a protestant. I am not a Catholic. As Zack was pastoring in the summer 2012, he was awakened to the abortion holocaust and has never been the same since. Dr. White is to hienous as to poke fun at the double standards a few Roman Catholics then this guy must be just as badright? Prove his actions offensive and Ill recant. We deserve the constant belittling by the Secularists, Protestants, and Muslims. did I? Sandy, Short answer, because Christ Himself gave the Church authority. Are. It is not a *relationship*. I certainly havent, and dont intend to. The paragraph after the bold/italic bit is Pullmans answer and the rest is me. But I bet you already knew that. That some people behave badly is not a reflection on Christianity or Catholicism itself. Christians we are commanded in Jude 1:3 to earnestly contend for 14 That henceforth we be no more children tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the wickedness of men, by cunning craftiness by which they lie in wait to deceive. We should storm heaven with prayers for his conversion. The Lord turned his life upside down at that time and filled his heart with a passion to end abortion and rescue preborn babies headed to death at abortion mills in the Valley. Thus, perhaps you see now at least a potential source of frustration for the Reformed Caucus. While he may be at times over the top passionate, he has never been deceptive. Does Jimmys come with the white cowboy hat? I dont even agree with him fully, and *I* respect that class. Remember nowsubstance. Thank God my wife wants to stay homeI couldnt imagine daycare for 4. Before anyone knew the state of what God had done (canon mediated), God infallibly knew the current state and content of canon (infallible). This is no different than the heresy Since when is it anyones duty to prove innocence? As there is nowhere else exactly the same fact, so there is nowhere else exactly the same fallacy. Im willing to bet that, once transubstantiation was defined to them, theyd say duh (well, in Latin :-D), but trying to convince them that the canon they just approved contained the entirety of Christian belief would require a bit of fast-talking. Can you imagine if these had been doctored photos of German SS holding signs saying something like, Gas those who lack charity.? Maccabees (II) Too many people throwing around the word gnostic here. The point is irrationality not hate. The Lord turned his life upside down at that time and filled his heart with a passion to end abortion and rescue preborn babies. Lamech change of lifestyle. This is human effort and a form of works salvation. Its Akins Law that includes comparisons with Islamists. How can you make the claim that you havnt seen anything substaintiating Sola Scriptura when you WONT read anything substaintiating it? Thus, in their mind presenting Jesus with the tax question seemed to be insuperable logic, based on their unexamined sacralist assumption. For shame. Alpha & Omega Ministries 2.7K views Streamed 9 years ago Sermons and Teachings Play all Dr. James White, The Gospel, and Suffering Apologia Studios 40K views7 years ago Full Interview:. Important point. Esau, as a limited human, do you have the capacity to consider ALL of the evidence? Double standards? naming your offense) but to go beyond that, to in effect try to get the last jab in (e.g. How you went from credit given to the posters here (and the Church) to glory is beyond me. Why do so many blog posters respond to earnest posts with which they disagree with sophomoric sarcasm? Jn 8:44: he has lost the right to debate in theological matters. Any other fallacious statements or can I get back to something fruitful? Albeit, as born-again I wasnt replying to him. Your hero screwed up and has devoted even more panicked essaying to change the subject. And if youve already posted one specific theological question it wouldnt be difficult of you to cut and paste it again. IMHO, Whites arguments arent based upon anything but his declaration of what arises from Gods sovereignty. Hopefully his understanding of history will fair better. He seems to leave it up to the individual, and seems to assume that each individual will personally experience divine revelation regarding the proper Canon. Im sure Jimmy would have, and indeed has, no problem respectfully discussing or debating theological issues with non-Catholics, under normal conditions. His methods of distortion are to Catholicism what Richard Dawkins is to Christianity in general he reads, but not too deep. I fully deny that telling someone that it is wrong to call a man a liar on flimsy grounds is the same as a violent mob. It would seem to me that thats not the role of a bishop. Youll get that casuistry degree yet. I dont know what you are asking when you say, did you decide this yourself, or did someone else decide it for you? I am a CatholicI believe in free will, as a gift of God Almighty. Jesus confronted the Pharisees as sacralists head-on with the coin problem. I would like to know why you find it more unreasonable to go to the disciple of the disciple of the one chosen by Christ himself Maybe youre not an overzealous troll. so his path towards You would be made clearer. Quite liberating, actually. If you are looking for intriguing alpha omega tattoo ideas, then you are going to end up in love with this one! The Sovereign Grace of God: A Biblical Study of the Doctrines of Calvinism. But I dont think Denniss post was silly, and I dont think it warranted a caustic response. I did a Whois search and found out this info: Its also an example of what I see as a sense of entitlement. Your original claim was that the Apostles were empowered. This is regardless of the bare facts of the case. I cant keep up with the comments, but this thread must hold the record for number of posts. It hurt my feelings. Thank you James White! As at least one person has suggested above, its time to stop feeding the energy machine. It is my hope that Catholics and Protestants can converse without all the rancour that Ive seen since I started blogging in October 2006. In short, right here is where it is clearly established that canon is not a product of tradition, but a product of divine revelation. Paul, I thought that this was an apologetics website, but I see little apologetics going on, only fingers being pressed against ears while the big, mean protestants ask tough questions. White characterizes them as representative of all Catholics while failing to live up to the same standards of decency for what are undoubtedly his own actions. I really am asking, seriously, how do Protestants make these determinations. Yet, where is the logic in his argument: We are now praying for your conversion to the fullness of the faith. Ok, if hes full of hot air, why? MY HEAD HURTS. Krautoid. Ecce sockpuppet. The steve that wrote at Aug 11, 2007 10:50:06 AM Does it convey the information that you claim that he wants to convey, namely If you believe that, go re-read this thread. Yes, let us all pray that those who claim to be Catholic will be obedient to the Magisterium instead of making up what they mistakenly believe to be the teachings of the Church. obligated in charity to consider the sensibilities of the audience before creating the joke. The pictures That was the topic of discussion that Jimmy asked us to consider, not apologetics unless you know more about the relationship of theology to humor than I do and can discuss that restricted use of theology intelligently. It is as if yall are unaware of the passage where Paul says love does not take account of wrong done to it. Maybe you think calling Mr. White names and running discussions according to a made up law is engaging in appropriate discussion methods. Mary is correct that if you had posted something specific, it would be easy to copy and paste, just as Ive done with your comments. Your first sentence is a non sequitur. Since Mr White is apparently reading everything with his name on it, & since he has no combox (probably a wise move, considering what I feel like posting there): because the Bible told me to. Dont you even know that there were huge disagreements in the Early Church about what the Canon of Scripture was ultimately comprised of??? 1 Timothy 6:4 he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. A quote for the ages. I cut and pasted the info here so you wont have the excuse of not having the number. Esau, Unless for some reason I swam the Tiber and didnt know it, then I couldnt be the one in a mob frenzy, as Im not exactly in the majority here. 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